Dr. Matthew
Tuttle
940 East 3rd St. #12
Long Beach, CA 90802
mpt145@hotmail.com
Dear Dr. Horowitz,
First I want
to thank you for your volumes of much needed work. I
read Healing Codes cover to cover and it was the best book, aside from
the bible of course, that I have ever read! I am a Chiropractic Doctor
and more over an Applied Kinesiologist (muscle tester). I was surprised
and affirmed by your comments about this. Anyways, I NEED more information
so I ordered just about everything on your website =).
I have read some VERY challenging things form you, considering I have
been a born again Christian since I was a child. I have tried hard to
keep an open mind because you know SO much more than me and obviously
have a MUCH closer relationship with YaHVaH and YahShuah than I do (I
didn't even know their real names).
Realizing this,
it would be foolish of me to discount what you are
saying. I have also read your comments and responses to many
"
fundamentalist" letters. I like your responses but I still have one
question that weighs heavily on me. This "almost" made me write you
off as a "whacko" when reading the preface to the Healing Codes when
you said I have news for many so called fundamentalist Christians who
believe they have to only way to salvation (badly paraphrased). Again,
on your website it seemed as though you were saying that your Islam and
Native American brothers and sisters will also receive salvation (again
not your exact words but I think that's what you're saying).
Considering Muhammad doesn't believe YahShuah was the Christ or that
he
was ever raised from the dead and that to my knowledge Native Americans
are as pagan as the Romans and don't believe in Christ and are
Pantheists, are they "saved". By the way, I am part native
American, Choctaw.
Can their names
be written in the lamb's book of life when Christ
said "I AM, the way, the truth and the life and no man come the Father
but by me." John 14:6
Furthermore,
I was listening to your end times preparedness,
propaganda and prophecy tape and Pastor Norm Franz quoted this exact
verse in reference to the Islamic Indonesian leader. He said basically
the same thing that I am now, and I noticed you were curiously silent
making no response.
I
don't have anywhere near the knowledge of the scripture that
you
do, heck I've read the King James all my life and can't even read
Hebrew, Arabic, Greek nothing! But given that verse I am very confused
as to how anyone can be saved without Christ, even our orthodox
Jewish
brothers.
Please understand
I hold you in the highest regards and would greatly appreciate
your response so I could maybe have some understanding on your
seemingly confusing stance?
Your response
would be greatly appreciated.
Yours in Christ,
Dr. Matthew Tuttle
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From: "Len Horowitz" <lentetrahedron.org>
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To: <mpt145@hotmail.com>
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CC: <pr@tetrahedron.org>
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Subject: RE: For Dr. Horowitz reply
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:53:08 -0800
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Dear Dr. Matthew Tuttle,
Your
letter is beautiful and well appreciated. Thank you for your
very
kind words.
I am obviously
not the final judge, and we are cautioned "Judge ye not,
lest ye be judged!" So it really doesn't matter what I BELIEVE,
perceive, or judge to be the Truth.
But here's my
sense (not firm conviction).
I
humbly submit that the only discrepancy between YahShuah/Yeshua
being
the "One" and only "Way," and the Christian fundamentalist exclusivity
doctrine, is in the deceived mind of those who call themselves "
Christians" who are not. The Messiah warned "The traditions of men
make the Word to no avail." I believe this is the case with the
exclusivity dogma. It is precisely this exclusivity doctrine that makes
so many "Bible thumping" Christians so disrespected and condemned by
their "neighbors" who the Ten Commandments states we should love as
much as our selves.
I
have thought long and hard on this issue. In my humble opinion
as a
Jew and Christian, I must conclude that since there is only one
Creator-- YahVah, only one Son (YahShuah, some write Yeshua--which
literally translated from the Hebrew means "God Saves" not "Jesus
Saves") only one Holy Spirit (that YahVah said would be poured out in
the End Times to ALL people, there must also be only one Way. That
reconciles what the Messiah said and taught in John 14:6 and elsewhere.
But
contrary to fundamentalist exclusivity doctrine, His one Way
is of
the heart and spirit, not mind and belief systems.
As Doctor Puleo
so rightly restated from the Bible, "'Know ye of God,
yet God ye not know...' It's a matter of 'points of reference'." The
problem, as I see it, is with one's personal frame of reference, not
seeing the forest of YahVah's cohesive Truth and universe, and
brotherhood of humanity, because of the trees of egocentric dogma and
psychological warfare orchestrated by the leading devil-doers
representing all religions, nations, and political persuasions here on
Babylonian earth.
Therefore,
I am simply unwilling to judge, condemn, or even persuade
others who have not accepted, as I have, Yeshua as their personal Lord
and Savior. I am not their final judge, and I believe, as much
scripture indicates, the Messiah will be returning for all faithful
seekers of the one Way/Truth.
I also recommend
those afflicted with this egocentric, dogmatic,
desensitizing, de-spiritualizing, socially-antagoning position that
they read the Messiah's words, closely following John 14:6. In John
14:12 He says, "Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will
also do the works I do! Indeed, he will do greater ones . . ." Who in
fundamentalist Christianity can claim to have done this? Very few.
I believe we
stand on the brink of the "End Times," and this verse too
is being fulfilled. But I honestly do not see "fundamentalist
Christians" stepping up en masse to do this work. In fact, I see the
opposite. More "New Age" people are entering this promised-land while
most Baptists believe that laying on of hands for healing, much like
you do in your chiropractic and kinesiology practice, is blasphemous.
In
fact, I believe that kinesiology, among the primary reasons why
it
works, is because it is a form of divining, a gift that YahVah
cautioned he would take away from those who misused it for egocentric
self-aggrandizement. But try to convince most fundamentalist Christians
that divining, and related radionics and electro-medicine, is not of
the devil and you hit a brick wall.
Yeshua warned, "My
people die of lack of applied knowledge." Thus,
final judgment is coming upon America's Christian community along with
all the rest who have been deceived into thinking their dogma,
including that issued by medical deities (M.D.s) promoting vaccinations
and drugs, is the one right Way.
With
your permission, Matthew, I would greatly appreciate your consent
to reprint your letter and this reply on our website for the
hundreds
of others who have asked me the same question.
Much love always,
Len Horowitz,
D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.
Reply from Dr.
Tuttle
Dear Dr. Horowitz
First let me thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule
to respond to me. It's nice to know that an icon like yourself
is accessible to everyday people.
It seems clear
to me that you have separate definitions for "Christian" and "fundamentalist
Christian." I am now aware that what I am used to thinking of
as a fundamentalist Christian isn't necessarily what you are
talking about when you say "fundamentalist Christian." You have
my permission to post my e-mail and response on your website
so long as you do not group me in with the "letters from fundamentalist
Christian's section." I don't feel it would be fair to stereotype
me or my letter like that, and I know how you feel about stereotyping
classes of people.
It seems ironic
to me that the more I learn and the more I seek for answers,
the more questions I find. Sadly, it seems that I have many questions
that only YaHVaH himself can answer. I thank you for telling
me your sense, not firm conviction, but I can not agree with
you on several points. I suppose it matters little though, as
what you OR I believe, perceive or judge to be the truth does
not really matter as we are not the final judge anyway. In light
of that I humbly submit these points for you review.
I agree that
there must be some alternative means of salvation other than
the belief that the Christ YahShuah, our savior, the only begotten
son of YaHVaH, died for our sins so that we might be acceptable
to Him. After all there are people all over the world who lived
and died without ever hearing of YahShuah (Jesus) or YaHVaH (the
one God) like the Native Americans, South Americans, Polynesians,
etc. God wouldn't have created these multitudes of people just
to give them eternal damnation with no hope of redemption. After
all, God said that no man will stand before Him with an excuse.
For these people God must have provided some alternative form
of salvation.
However, with
the nation of Islam I can not believe that they are saved. I
have to share the stance of Pastor Norm Franz on this one. Very
simply, they reject YahShuah as the Christ, the Savior, and the
Son of God and have instead chosen to place Muhammad in His place.
"
For there are three that bear witness in heaven the Father, the Son and
the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7. This being the
case, where as some civilization never heard of Christ, the Muslims heard
the Word and rejected it. They knew of YahShuah and rejected him and
therefore rejected God.
As for the New
Agars, Mohamed, Buddha, Gandhi and others.... Yes they were great
men, maybe even prophets as some claim and you could stack their
deeds a mile high to be sure, but that is salvation by works.
This brings up an interesting point: the rift between James and
Paul.
I have always been taught and believed that salvation is by belief (belief
that YahShuah's blood washed us clean of our sins and his Godly sacrifice
reconciled us with YaHVaH) not by works. Maybe what James said is true
that our deeds are more important than our beliefs. However, "For all
have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." Romans 3:23 and "The
wages of sin is Death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus
Christ our Lord" Romans 6:23. This leads to the conclusion that we are
all lost without YahShua as referenced in Romans 3:10-12 (all of Romans
3 is good reading) "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not
one......there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Romans 3:20 "Therefore
by the law
there shall be no flesh justified in his sight...."
No matter how
hard I or anyone else tries to be good and do what is right we
all will fail and sin, because that is the nature of man. It
has been that way since the fall of man as I understand it. As
much as I want to do what is right all the time, if that is my
only way to heaven I am doomed to hell.
So, my sense,
not firm conviction is that my salvation rests upon this: I,
myself am "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption
that is in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:24 and again in John 3:16.
Now, following
John 3:16 with verses 17 and 18. "For God sent His Son into the
world not to condemn the world: but that through him the world
might be saved. He that believes on Him is not condemned: but
he that does not believe on him is condemned already, because
he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Given
this, can we believe that Muslims and any of the innumerable
factions of new agers and Buddhists and others be saved?
I need to qualify
all of this by saying that I listened to your audio tape package "Why
it's time for Jews and Christians to unite." Wonderful series,
outstanding! As you know, most of my references are in Romans,
a Pauline book. So if what the tape says is true, then I have
to throw all of those arguments out the window. In fact, I think
all of my verses are discounted if those tapes are correct. This
brings up many other questions only YaHVaH can answer: what in
the New Testament am I to believe? Am I only to believe the book
of James? If what those tapes say is true then the Bible isn't
perfect and is in fact very fallible and full of contradictions,
yet the bible is supposed to be the perfect inspired word of
God. So what am I to
believe? How do I know what in the New Testament is truth and what is
lie?
If the previous
statements are true then what about when God promised to preserve
his word? We need discernment from the Spirit but even when we
do that, we all disagree right down to the taldim (the apostles).
Like
I said, more questions than answers and (like you said too) not
of
great importance since our personal views aren't the ones that really
counts.
Thank you for listening to my ramblings.
Lastly, if I
may humbly submit one piece of advice with love. Try not to be
so hard on those you call "fundamentalist Christians" as they
too are our brothers and sisters. No matter how short sighted
some of them may be, we all have our short comings. Most of them
have such firm convictions because of YaHVaHs greatest commandment
to love our neighbors as ourselves, not in spite of it. For them
to be less is to let there loved ones go into what they believe
is eternal damnation. Also, when people who don't know your definition
of "fundamentalist Christians" hear what you have to say about
them, you shut off a large audience who desperately needs to
hear your important message (especially my family members).
With much love
and respect,
Dr. Matthew Tuttle
D.C.
Dear Dr. Tuttle,
Thank you for
your permission to post your letter(s). I will gladly comply
with your request, and I only do this because of my firm conviction
that YaHVaH wants his remnant reconciling their differences.
I believe, my
brother, that we really don't disagree at all, but it only seems
we do.
But before I
get to that, I want to acknowledge your thoughtfulness as you
provide, in this regard, an excellent model for everyone who
calls themselves "Christians." You obviously have the heart of
King Solomon in seeking wisdom before anything else. I congratulate
you for your efforts in seeking and sharing the Truth.
Your agreement
that "there must be some alternative means of salvation other
than the belief that the Christ YahShuah, our savior, the only
begotten son of YaHVaH, died for our sins so that we might be
acceptable to Him."
The more Christians
grasping this, the closer we are to having Christians and Jews
uniting as prophesied.
In terms of your
disagreement concerning Muslims, again, to my knowledge, contrary
to your belief, Muslims are taught to accept YaHShuah as a legitimate
Messiah, the only begotten Son of God.
If fact, and
I hate to use this as a source, the current issue of Newsweek
(February 11, 2002 "The Bible and the Qur'an: Searching the Holy
Books for Roots of Conflict & Seeds of Reconciliation" states
that Muslims do not place their major prophet, Muhammad, above
the stature of YahShuah. Muhammad is recognized as a prophet
blessed by the angel Gabriel, to deliver God's word and lead
Muslims from polytheism and paganism to alliance with Jewish/Christian
monotheism. They hold YahShuah in equal esteem. According to
a personal conversation I had with Minister Farrakhan, the Nation
of Islam differs with the rest of the Muslim world in accepting
YahShuah as the Messiah who will return.
Jewish people have been taught to reject this notion entirely. At this
point, most don't even consider YahShuah anything other than a learned
Rabbi. Thus, the theological gap between Jews and Christians may be wider
than between Muslims and Christians. Interesting isn't it?
As for the New Agers, most came from Christianity and Judaism to become
New Agers. Most New Agers I know, believe YahShuah was the Son of God,
and still pray to YaHVaH in the name of the Son.
This gets me
back to the NAME. His name says it ALL. Literally translated
from Hebrew it means "God Saves." I believe every other point
you raise can be reconciled from this one greatest TRUTH that
Jews, Christians and Muslims alike accept. So why all the fuss?
Because we've
been separated by traditional dogmas that the Messiah warned
us would cut us off from The Word, the Truth, and from God.
Indeed, James
was absolutely right by saying our deeds are more important than
our beliefs. Our beliefs too often reflect doctrines and dogmas
that lie outside the Truth and the Word. "Ye shall know them
by the fruits of their labor." People caught up in exclusivity
doctrines commonly violate other people's deserved respect.
If I had a dime
for every Christian I've met who has become royally discouraged
with "Christianity" because of the "Bible thumpers" who, in the
name of Christ and spiritual salvation, hit people over the head
with misinterpreted verses to justify their own mistaken beliefs,
I would be a multi-millionaire. "Ye shall know them by the fruits
of their labor." Should we not discern between these "Christians" for
undermining Christianity itself, as compared with other Christians
who teach by example, bearing the fruits of brotherly love and
reconciliation?
You wrote, "The wages of sin is Death but the gift of God is eternal
life through Jesus Christ our Lord" Romans 6:23. This leads to
the conclusion that we are all lost without YahShua as referenced
in Romans 3:10-12 (all of Romans 3 is good reading)
Substitute for
YahShua's name its meaning and His main message: "God Saves." Now
you can legitimately interpret salvation as a function of diligent
and high integrity monotheism and law keeping.
This applies again when you write, "So, my sense, . . . is that
my salvation rests upon this: I, myself am "Being justified freely
by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Romans
3:24 and again in John 3:16. Substitute "God Saves" for the meaning
of "Christ Jesus" and you come to the same Truth.
Your question regarding non-Christian souls being saved referring
to
John 3:16 with verses 17 and 18. "For God sent His Son into the world
not to condemn the world . . . but he that does not believe on him is
condemned already, because he has not believed in THE NAME of the only
begotten Son of God."
Again, my analysis
applies. Why should be judge or "condemn" anyone, Muslims, new
agers, Buddists, etc. regarding their salvation when the simple
act of doing this violates The Word, The Truth, The One Way .
. . It's a trap! Get it? Exclusivity doctrine is simply a belief
that brings about wars and hatred in direct opposition to monotheism
which strives to fulfill 2 Corinthians 5:17:
"Therefore,
if anyone is [truly] united with the Messiah, he is a new creation-the
old has passed; look, what has come is fresh and new! And it
is all from God, who through the Messiah has reconciled us
to himself and has given us the work of that reconciliation,
which is that God in the Messiah was reconciling mankind to
himself. . . ."
Notice that the
ultimate goal is to have us reconcile ourselves to ourselves.
That is, our Divine link to the One Creator, thus to each other
through Him and His Son.
It is sad that "Christians" have
such a hard time getting this fundamental truth, along with other
pagans who have substituted their Bible interpretations-false
beliefs-for the most important work to be done, and fruits to
bear.
Your ramblings
are greatly appreciated. I hope these and my posted responses
will plant many seeds that will grow into a great sweet harvest
of fruit.
Finally, though
your point is well taken concerning me shutting off large needy
Christian audiences, don't feel too bad about me confronting
those that call themselves "fundamentalist Christians" with zeal.
YaHShuah vented even more forcefully when confronted by the hypocrisy
of His day, especially in the temple--that is, among those who
preached religion and practiced greed and paganism with Caesar's
face on their gold coins.
With much love
and respect,
Len Horowitz |